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This is what you get when subscribing to the insanity of not drilling for our own oil.
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by Andy at 3/20/2008 11:20 AM
Get a smaller vehicle, man. Ride your bike a little. Do your part to reduce consumption and force big oil to bring prices down. You know that drilling here in America would do absolutely NOTHING for the numbers on that reciept. All it would do is ravage more of America's wildlife refuges.
  
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by Braden at 3/20/2008 12:05 PM
And what gives you the right to tell me what type of vehicle to drive? Last time I checked, this was a free country.

And please, enlighten me as to how I can ride a bike to work when my place of employment is a 28 mile commute one way?

And you know damn well if we could drill for our own oil here, and have the refinery capacity to keep up with the ever growing demand, you wouldn't have these high gas prices.

Man, I feel like I am talking to a brick here. You just *won't* listen.

I get the feeling if it were up to you, we'd either all be driving (1) unsafe cigar boxes for cars, or (2) riding bikes to work, or (3) going to work via horse and buggy.

Where is your freakin' sense of progress? So like, we're supposed to screech our progress to a grinding halt because we must cater to the environmental movement, even though there are safe ways to extract oil from places like ANWR?

Give me a break, Andy.

So like, it's okay for Al Gore, and the rest of those political elitists to fly around in their fuel hungry jet planes, SUVs, and Limos all the while they preach to us that we're all in danger of killing the planet due to our "overconsumption" all the while they live in their fancy mansions and such with high utility bills, etc.

When they start to set the example by living the way THEY DICTATE TO US how to live, perhaps the rest of us who don't subscribe to this environmental b.s. will start to take them half seriously.

Cripes....
  
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by Andy at 3/20/2008 3:07 PM
Sigh...I am listening to you, Braden. You aren't making sense though. Researching for, Setting up for, contracting for, drilling for oil, transporting it, getting impurities out of it and making it economical for us to use is not as simple as you are trying to make it sound. I tried to explain this too you in another thread but I don't think you read any of it because you immediately started rambling about The Sierra Club and bashing environmentalists. There isn't that much oil underneath American soil and the places that that DO have oil are mostly way up North underneath wildlife preserves. These would take nearly two decades to go through the process in which we could actually USE the oil and when that happens, there would only be enough to support about 1-2% of the oil that us wasteful Americans use, anyway. Drilling here would do nothing for gas prices except knock a dime per gallon off the price per gallon in the year 2027.

We don't need more refinaries, Braden. They could take on several times the oil that they are taking on now and still produce plenty of gasoline. The number of refinaries has nothing to do gas prices.

No, Braden, I am not trying to tell you what kind of car to drive. I am simply suggesting that if you are unhappy with the price of gas in your large vehicle, there are other options for you to consider. Suffering the high price of fuel is inevitable. Misery is optional. You are choosing to be miserable instead of looking at the big picture and figuring out ways that you personally can reduce fuel consumption, which is the only way that we are going to see prices go down. You sit here and complain and play the blame game about gas prices when every single American is in part, in some way, to blame. Not liberals, not conservatives and CERTAINLY not just environmentalists. EVERYONE.

I don't know what to say about your point about our politicians consuming large amounts of fuel themselves. You do have a a good point there. Hypocracy is never nice to see. We all have a little bit of hypocrite in us, though. Sometimes we absolutly can't help but go against what we preach. The point is that we try our best to stand up for what we belive. For every trip that Al Gore makes in his jet to give a lecture, he inturn tells hundreds or thousands of people about the importance of respecting our environment. Spreading that much knowledge seems like a pretty good trade off to me but I am sure you don't feel that same...Al Gore being a weenie liberal and all...

  
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by Braden at 3/20/2008 7:33 PM
Andy:

And where do you get your information which is telling you we lack safe(r) ways to acquire/drill oil?

Given how far I have to drive to work, what "other options" are available to me? Car pooling? Nope. Hybrid? What good is that? It still generates a carbon footprint, as does car pooling.

You see where I am going with this, Andy? Everything generates a carbon footprint. My sitting here typing out this futile response to you is generating a carbon footprint. Me going to the bathroom to poop generates a carbon footprint. Where do we draw the freaking line?

I can see we will never agree on this issue, so it's a futile attempt to go on about it. You won't listen to me. I won't listen to you. What's the sense in wasting more energy in terms of this particular topic?
  
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by Andy at 3/20/2008 9:55 PM
Why are you concerned about carbon footprints? Global Warming isn't for real according to you! So go out and buy yourself a hybrid because saving money on gas seems to be your main concern!!! That will solve you problem of high gas prices so you won't complain so much!
  
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by Braden at 3/20/2008 10:02 PM
I don't believe in it, Andy. And so now you're going to dictate to me that I shouldn't be concerned with "carbon footprints."

Fascinating, considering I thought you'd be delighted to know that I've taken interest in the "carbon footprint" term. Oh well.

Complaining? I could say the same about you. How? You're complaining about me not believing in global warming.

Andy, let me ask you this, since you're such a big supporter of man made global warming:

How does one explain the NOAA report on how the ice which disappeared in 2007 has all of the sudden come back?

How does the NOAA report support global warming, Andy?

And Andy, do you not even find it a BIT ironic that the term "global warming" has been replaced by "climate change?"

Please tell me you're not *that* naive as to what CBS News, and the Sierra Club tell you.
  
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by Andy at 3/21/2008 1:38 AM
First, would you get off of The Sierra Club thing already? Google happened to hit their site when I was searching for the Zogby Survey because The Sierra Club reported on that particular survey. Prior to that I have never once had any interest in The Sierra Club, Greenpeace or any other extremist organization of their nature. I just plain care about the environment, but I don't pirate whaling ships and chain myself to trees so you can quit using that URL I sited against me. It was simply a link to a completely unrelated article :) Thanks!

Global Warming is like terminal cancer or maybe even HIV, if you will. Someone with cancer is going to have their good days and bad days, but inevitably they are going to start rapidly succumbing to the disease. The Earth is going to have its good and bad years and good and bad weather trends; and some parts of the globe are going to be affected drastically by warming trends and some areas aren't going to be phased for the next 500 or 1000 years; but there is no escaping the fact that the overall trend is a rise in global temperature that humans are at least partly responsible for and it will lead to a drastic effect on Earth's environmental and oceanic cycles. The extent of human contributions is debatable but there is one fact: It is happening and it is not going away.

It has been scientifically proven that an atmosphere heavy with carbon retains heat more than air that is free of carbon (greenhouse effect, right?). It is proven, of course, that coal and car mufflers give off carbon as a waste product. The Earth's atmosphere has more carbon molecules in it today than at any point in the last 420,000 years. This being the case, we are indeed responsible for at least SOME of the drastic warming of the planet. We absolutely cannot deny that fact, whether it is a small percentage of responsibility or a large percentage of the blame.

That NOAA report is encouraging. At least it means we are delaying the inevitable. For me, I just choose not to be Nero and play my violin while the Earth burns up. I just think that recognizing what we are doing is important and that we owe our beautiful planet what little we as individuals can do to help out. Others, like yourself could care less and don't share my same philosophy and that's perfectly fine. If you choose to try and solve the problem by blaming liberals and environmentalists than nobody, including me, is going to stop you!!! :) Free Speech! God Bless America!!

P.S. Global Warming...Climate Change? They are one in the same. Just like John Cougar, John Mellencamp and John Cougar-Mellancamp. All the same guy. Terminology has evolved along with an evolving concept. Big deal.
  
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by Braden at 3/21/2008 6:32 AM
"someone with cancer is going to have their good days and bad days, but inevitably they are going to start rapidly succumbing to the disease."

I can't help but laugh. You sound like Al Gore when he said "The planet has a fever!" Did you even read what you wrote? Using your logic, we might as well brace for when the sun ultimately goes Nova in a few million years; after all, won't the sun die? Let's see, you put it re: Earth, "inevitably going to start rapidly succumbing to the disease?" What a joke, Andy.

"The extent of human contributions is debatable but there is one fact: It is happening and it is not going away. "

Okay, Andy. So how do you explain the other planetary bodies of our solar system heating up, like Mars? Oh wait, that's our nasty SUVs we're driving up there, huh? Oh wait a minute, it's all that carbon up there caused by our mufflers!

"P.S. Global Warming...Climate Change? They are one in the same. Just like John Cougar, John Mellencamp and John Cougar-Mellancamp. All the same guy. Terminology has evolved along with an evolving concept. Big deal."

Sure sounds like you have no idea as to why the drive-bys now refer to global warming as "climate change." All you did is make an excuse by saying "terminology has evolved with an evolving concept. Big deal."

Evolving concept? That's because they have NO clue, hence why the powers-that-be conveniently changed the term to "climate change."

And why did they do this? Because now they can use the same excuse for when the planet heats up, and for when it cools down. The Earth has gone through these cycles since the beginning of time.

Ever here of an ice age, Andy? What makes you think another one won't occur again? Would another ice age be caused by man made global warming....I mean climate change?

You sir, have swallowed the kool-aid.
  
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by Andy at 3/21/2008 11:38 AM
One thing I have figured out about you, Braden is that you tend to read about the first sentence or two of people's rebuttals per paragraph and you base your opinions of their content on those. For example...I am not ignorant, Braden...I realize that the entire solar system is experiencing a warming trend and that Earth is in there too. Hell, someday Earth may experience an Ice Age. Carbon pollution may be 1% of the warming and the rest may be natural. But there is a possibility that it may be 99% of the problem! Science cannot agree on one figure so we may as well assume the worst and start cleaning up our act for the next couple of generations. I know that small town Iowa has had 3 straight summers of not one single rain drop in the month of July. That NEVER used to be the case when I was growing up. We need that rain to produce agriculture. It is vital. Every year, irigation ponds get smaller and smaller. Yes, it may be a natural trend in the atmosphere. But if there is even a sliver of a chance that humans are causing this, than I am going to do my part to reduce my emmissions because I want my kids and my kids' kids to thrive. Sue me for thinking it is a little scary. But don't consider me an idiot and talk to me like I'm one!

Your Global Warming=Climate Change debate is lame. The debate around your 1 year report from NOAA is lame. You constantly comparing me to Al Gore is lame. I'm not some fundmentalist freak about the environment. An Inconvenient Truth didn't scare the living buhJesus out of me and turn me into a doomsdayist about the world. Humans will survive and adapt in one way or another...I just care about what we are doing to this planet and how it affects our future generations. It is that simple. It is not political, it is not from the book of Revelations; it is simply me trying to be logical. We have atleast some part in the warming of our planet and we can have atleast some part in the solution. That is, if people like you open your eyes for two seconds and start giving a tiny little bit of shit.

This thread is getting exhausting! I am sure you have a response but I am going to throw in the towel on this post after this comment. I have my own blog to maintain!!! LOL! You probably haven't read this far, anyway.

Keep up the good work on your blog, though. It is nice to see a blog that posts regularly.
  
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by Braden at 3/21/2008 12:59 PM
Andy,

As I said a few comments (comment 2427) above, we're not going to agree on this, and I even stated it was futile to continue this discussion.

So that said, you're the one who kept going on about it.

You believe what you want on global warming, and I'll won't believe in global warming. Hey, it's what makes this country so great - the difference of opinion, right?

At least we agree to disagree on this subject, no?

  
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by Andy at 3/26/2008 5:34 PM
Hmmmm?? I wonder what NOAA would say about this...

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=7132088
  
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by Braden at 3/26/2008 9:25 PM
Andy, does the term:

"beating a dead horse"

have any meaning to you? ;)
  
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by Andy at 3/27/2008 6:12 PM
Point taken...
  
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